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IrelandJonathan Swan on Stephen Miller: "He saw Trump as a vehicle."
C-SPAN revisits a June interview as Miller replaces Susie Wiles as White House chief of staff.
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Jonathan Swan on Stephen Miller: "He saw Trump as a vehicle."
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- 0:13Swan says Miller's ideological convictions run deeper than Trump's, tracing them to his early life.
- 0:46Conservative talk radio figures in Swan's account of Miller's political interests as a teenager.
- 2:45Swan explains why Miller saw Trump's celebrity and charisma as a vehicle for his ideology.
- 3:40Swan describes Miller as relentless and highly prepared for Trump's second term.
Stephen Miller's move into the White House chief of staff role gives an older question fresh relevance: what drives him? C-SPAN has posted a June Q&A exchange in which Jonathan Swan describes an ideologue who found in Donald Trump the public appeal to carry his ideas into power.
The clip drew nearly 48,000 views in eight hours, already well beyond the channel's usual first-day audience for comparable uploads.
Appearing alongside fellow New York Times reporter and Regime Change co-author Maggie Haberman, Swan draws a distinction between Miller's convictions and the president's. "It runs pretty deeply for Stephen Miller, much more deeply than it does for the president," he says.
His account follows Miller from early interests in conservative talk radio through Duke University and work on Capitol Hill. The central explanation arrives when Swan reaches Trump's presidential campaign launch: Miller saw someone whose charisma and celebrity could elevate his ideology.
Swan argues that Miller wanted more than a change in immigration policy. He describes Miller as contemptuous of the older Republican tradition represented by George W. Bush's compassionate conservatism and more welcoming stance toward immigrants.
"He'd been looking for a vessel for his ideology," Swan says. He closes by portraying Miller as relentless, focused and unusually well prepared for Trump's second term, an assessment made months before the promotion C-SPAN reports in its November coverage.
An American political adviser who served as a senior adviser to Trump and director of speechwriting during his first administration, from 2017 to 2021.
More on Wikipedia ›An Australian and American investigative journalist at The New York Times who previously covered Trump's first administration for Axios.
More on Wikipedia ›A White House correspondent for The New York Times and CNN political analyst. She co-wrote Regime Change with Jonathan Swan.
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Which university features in Swan's account of Stephen Miller's early political activity?
Swan discusses Miller's time at Duke and the national attention he attracted there.