Schama's advice to Rubio: resign before the week is out
The historian tells Times Radio that a presidential ambition would be a reason to leave Trump's cabinet after the Republican midterm losses.
Why this story? The video opened at a pace of 444,547 views a day, 45 times a normal first day on this channel (9,859).
Rubio Should Hand Trump His Resignation By The End Of This Week | Sir Simon Schama
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- 0:32Schama argues that Democratic gains in governorships and state assemblies make the result broader than a congressional shift.
- 2:31Trump's reliance on executive orders raises questions about how effectively a Democratic Congress can constrain him.
- 3:21Schama identifies living costs, tariffs and agricultural strain as the decisive electoral pressures.
- 6:10He sees Republican turmoil, citing Ron DeSantis's more pragmatic economic commentary.
- 9:56The title's resignation advice arrives: Schama says Rubio should leave if he is considering a presidential run.
Sir Simon Schama reads the Democratic victories as a verdict on household costs, tariffs and pressure on agriculture, not simply a change in America's ideological mood. Speaking to Hugo Rifkind on Times Radio, he argues that those practical concerns drove the result.
His sharpest advice comes near the end of the interview, and it is directed at Marco Rubio, Trump's secretary of state: "If I were Marco Rubio, and I was looking towards 2028, I would send a resignation letter at the end of the week."
That is a recommendation, not an announcement of Rubio's plans. Schama also argues that Trump needs a sweeping cabinet clear-out, which could include Rubio.
The interview drew roughly 370,000 views in 16 hours, already far beyond the channel's usual full-day audience for a regular video. It sits alongside several unusually widely watched Times Radio interviews examining what the losses mean for the people around Trump. Chris Christie questions JD Vance's presidential prospects, while John Bolton suggests Pete Hegseth could become Trump's scapegoat.
Schama's argument is not that a Democratic Congress automatically leaves the president powerless. "Donald Trump never really had a legislative agenda anyway. He's ruled by executive order," he says, questioning how effectively the new majorities can push back.
Rifkind also presses him on whether foreign policy offers Trump a route forward. Schama points to unresolved problems over Iran, then offers a less ambitious prediction for the president's schedule: "an awful lot of golf".
A Republican politician serving as US secretary of state and national security adviser. He previously represented Florida in the US Senate from 2011 to 2025.
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- Channel
- Times Radio
- Subscribers
- 1,320,000
- Channel views, last 7 days
- 6,471,014
- Channel views, pace per day
- 2,141,781 (on a normal day: 884,811)
- Video published
- November 4, 2026
- Video views so far
- 369,074 (less than a day online)
- Video views, pace per day
- 444,547
The numbers
Schama's interview had already drawn far more views than a typical Times Radio upload receives in its first day. Several other post-election interviews also had unusually strong starts.
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