Paul van Zyl imagines stadiums beyond match day on Leading
Alastair Campbell's interview moves from South Africa's reckoning with apartheid to making better use of Britain's social infrastructure.
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What Can The UK Learn From How South Africa Ended Apartheid? | Paul van Zyl
Things we can learn from the video
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- 5:28Van Zyl explains conditional amnesty, requiring perpetrators to disclose their crimes publicly.
- 29:03He argues that confronting the past proactively matters, considering Northern Ireland's experience.
- 45:07His UK work through The Conduit includes cross-sector projects on water management and environmental infrastructure.
- 50:29He outlines efforts to use British sports stadiums as social infrastructure hubs outside match days.
Football stadiums have a purpose when the stands are full. Paul van Zyl wants to put them to work when the fixtures are over, too.
That practical British project comes towards the end of his conversation with Alastair Campbell, the only new upload from The Rest Is Politics: Leading this week. Van Zyl describes efforts to turn stadiums into social infrastructure hubs on non-match days, alongside his work through The Conduit on water management and environmental infrastructure.
It gives a concrete destination to an interview built around a much larger question: how divided societies learn to live together. As executive secretary of South Africa's Truth and Reconciliation Commission, van Zyl helped administer a process that exchanged conditional amnesty for public disclosure of crimes. With Campbell, he also considers whether Northern Ireland could have benefited from a structured truth process. The episode contains paid sponsorship segments.
The interview has drawn roughly 47,000 views and carries the strongest daily viewing momentum on the channel. Close behind is the Kevin Rudd conversation, "How Xi Jinping Really Thinks | China Expert Kevin Rudd", now approaching half a million views. Michael Lewis's discussion of American trust and financial risk remains another active older upload.
Across the channel, subscribers grew modestly over the week, while today's viewing is below its usual daily level. Among nearby interview channels, Cleared Hot Podcast had a particularly substantial week; Bach and Arthur Podcast had a smaller viewing total than Leading.
For Campbell's newest guest, the route from reconciliation to stadiums is a route from principles to practical arrangements: finding places where people can do something together.
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Where next?
The videos drawing views on The Rest Is Politics: Leading right now
- Subscribers
- 207,000 ▲ 1,000 this week
- Channel views, last 7 days
- 520,466
- Videos published this week
- 1
- Video published
- November 9, 2026
- Video views so far
- 46,918
- Views on its first day
- 39,758
The numbers
Here is how Leading's audience and uploads moved over the week.



